Sublists

danielpataki says:
I've seem this in the forums, but the big thread has been closed due to lack of responses. I want to start this again, maybe if enough people cast their vote the awesome people developing RTM will consider it.
I need nested lists because I simply have a LOT of sublists in my organization. Here's an example: I am promoting multiple blogs, and am writing many e-books, tied to different blogs. My big project would be "BLOG A". A subproject that is "E-book" would be needed, because that is still HUGE. I could group these with tags, but if I also have an E-book for blog B that will get confusing.
Yes, you can use smart search and smart lists to get around this, I just feel it would be much easier. You could also have the option to turn this on and off, to declutter the interface.
If turned on, when you click on a list, it will show its sublists in blue for example in a row underneath the main lists. Other main lists can be hidden while this is happening.
If you turn off sublists and you have sublists, either all the tasks could fall under the main list, or sub lists could be brought to the front and shown as main lists.
I am using RTM because it is simply the best, but I have been experimenting with others because of the lack of this feature (so far no app came even close)
Cheers to you guys, thanks for listening
I need nested lists because I simply have a LOT of sublists in my organization. Here's an example: I am promoting multiple blogs, and am writing many e-books, tied to different blogs. My big project would be "BLOG A". A subproject that is "E-book" would be needed, because that is still HUGE. I could group these with tags, but if I also have an E-book for blog B that will get confusing.
Yes, you can use smart search and smart lists to get around this, I just feel it would be much easier. You could also have the option to turn this on and off, to declutter the interface.
If turned on, when you click on a list, it will show its sublists in blue for example in a row underneath the main lists. Other main lists can be hidden while this is happening.
If you turn off sublists and you have sublists, either all the tasks could fall under the main list, or sub lists could be brought to the front and shown as main lists.
I am using RTM because it is simply the best, but I have been experimenting with others because of the lack of this feature (so far no app came even close)
Cheers to you guys, thanks for listening

tobor0 says:
I absolutely agree that this feature is required.

dberglind says:
I am new here and have searched and see that this has been requested numerous times, but I too need to add my support to this idea.
I have "tasks" and I have "projects". I would really like to be able to list my tasks for each project in a nested list.
I know it has been suggested that I could use "lists" for the projects, but with the organizational system that I use, it just doesn't work out quite right.
I have "tasks" and I have "projects". I would really like to be able to list my tasks for each project in a nested list.
I know it has been suggested that I could use "lists" for the projects, but with the organizational system that I use, it just doesn't work out quite right.

nash.ogden says:
Absolutely a must have.

deterb says:
You can grab a url for a smart list by going to the atom feed and changing the word 'atom' to 'home' in the url, but being able to automate this would be helpful.

bostont66 says:
This would be a great feature that I would love to have also

dmd1272 says:
agree

dessner says:
I think it is so important, I would pay for a pro account for this feature

mburer says:
I also think this is a great idea. Essentially I have projects within projects, so I need lists within lists.

fransn says:
Vote for this!!

lefnire says:
gotta say, much needed. I'm moving to MindMeister until RTM has sublists.

Well, considering the number of people requesting sublists, I'm surprised that most haven't realized that Firefox+GreaseMonkey already makes this possible.
My present tag cloud at work, where I have hidden the private tags:
The three projects at the bottom (p01, p02 and p03) all have sublists, works well.
My present tag cloud at work, where I have hidden the private tags:

The three projects at the bottom (p01, p02 and p03) all have sublists, works well.

bzpilman says:
When thinking smart(lists), sublists make a lot of sense
I've always thought how cool it would be to have dropdowns, but then these dropdowns could be lists themselves (the parent lists) and everyone would be pleased :)
For the simpler cases, rajjan, our pumped up tag cloud does fine, but when you talk smartlists there's nowhere to run.
Bottom line is, sublists are already a reality for tags, lists and locations, but not for smartlists (unless you could stick a smartlist to your tagcloud). And smartlists bring the indecent possibilities.
I've always thought how cool it would be to have dropdowns, but then these dropdowns could be lists themselves (the parent lists) and everyone would be pleased :)
For the simpler cases, rajjan, our pumped up tag cloud does fine, but when you talk smartlists there's nowhere to run.
Bottom line is, sublists are already a reality for tags, lists and locations, but not for smartlists (unless you could stick a smartlist to your tagcloud). And smartlists bring the indecent possibilities.

derek.conjar says:
I have a tag cloud like Rajjan, but I'm still getting it all pimped out. I also use RTM Enhanced to reformat RTM so it's easier to use, and I use another script to keep the task cloud in view at all times.
I do agree that sublists are a good idea. I'd have to say that drag-and-drop reordering and dependent tasks are more important to me, though.
I do agree that sublists are a good idea. I'd have to say that drag-and-drop reordering and dependent tasks are more important to me, though.

crace says:
I would love to have sub-lists. Yeah, it's possible to use all sorts of crazy tasks and smart lists to do this, but when it comes down to it, sub-lists would just be easier!
Would definitely make implementing GTD easier for me, since I'm using a list name as a project name. If there are sub-lists, I can then create sub-projects easily.
Would definitely make implementing GTD easier for me, since I'm using a list name as a project name. If there are sub-lists, I can then create sub-projects easily.

teresa.amar says:
+1

dustinaskins says:
Another vote for this feature. I loved Todoist's nesting. I've tried multiple lists using RTM but I hate how rows of list tabs stack. If Im going to have tabs stack I'd rather have parent list tabs on top and sub list tabs on bottom.
One application of nested lists I like the most. A parent list of "Home" with nested lists for each room in the house ("Bedroom", "Living Room", etc.) and then tasks for each room within the room's list.
One application of nested lists I like the most. A parent list of "Home" with nested lists for each room in the house ("Bedroom", "Living Room", etc.) and then tasks for each room within the room's list.

pijnappel says:
+1!

bdeitric says:
+1

joseph.gruber says:
++++

navigator_x2 says:
100% agree this is needed... if it wasn't for the increased google integration I'd stick with Todoist as I prefer the sub task design. If the integration increases I'm switching back. Keep the masses happy and sort this out.

nir.ofry says:
I really need this feature. I think it is the base of the "next action" idea (of GTD)

andrewmin says:
+1 for the idea.

charliebeldon says:
+1

john.hollier says:
As a consultant with mulitiple clients and often multiple projects for a single client I could definitely use this feature to keep the projects as sublists under a main client list - and if it was only available as a Pro feature I would upgrade.

rolandgiesler says:
I agree with this being a need that should be implimented as a high priority.

dsunderhaft says:
Would love to see this feature as well!

stega says:
+1

flanakin says:
-1... Personally, I prefer tags. If this could be implemented without sacrificing simplicity, then that's one thing, but I would rather just not see it at all.

jkissoon says:
now that google tasks (otherwise inferior to RTM) comes with nested tasks RTM really need to take this request seriously. This could be a make or break feature. Please RTM reconsider!


fish_guts says:
Absolutely needed -_-
(don't really know if this thread is still followed tough)
(don't really know if this thread is still followed tough)

dan.julian says:
I'm adding my +1. Is there a good reason this can't be added? If so, I'll stop asking or adding my +1 to these.

jeff.rhine says:
dan.julian,
Here are links to a few posts (please see emily's comments) as to why it may not be added (or at least why it may not be added in the next week/6 months/year/etc.):
http://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/help/6751/
http://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/ideas/1582/
http://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/help/6629/
Hope that helps.
Here are links to a few posts (please see emily's comments) as to why it may not be added (or at least why it may not be added in the next week/6 months/year/etc.):
http://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/help/6751/
http://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/ideas/1582/
http://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/help/6629/
Hope that helps.

I wrote a ticketing system for my org and I created the ability for each ticket to have children. It's really very simple. Every ticket has a parent_id field. Every ticket can only have one parent, but in effect, each ticket can have unlimited children this way. It works great.
I would love to see this implemented.
I would love to see this implemented.


rtakes says:
Sublists would be great

ryan.hyde says:
fully agreed

hmbrazil says:
Agreed!

marc.garcia.marti says:
Hey rajjan,
could you share your RTM knowledge off Forum with me? I've come to a deadpoint in my rtm implementation even though I have set up my coloured task cloud and so on. Do you have by any chance a blog about your settings published somewhere in the net?
Thanks in advance,
could you share your RTM knowledge off Forum with me? I've come to a deadpoint in my rtm implementation even though I have set up my coloured task cloud and so on. Do you have by any chance a blog about your settings published somewhere in the net?
Thanks in advance,

smile.syban says:
+1

ankue says:
+100 ;)

danielcabreratoyos says:
+1

erichkist says:
+100

raguza says:
Absolutely needed feature

margali13 says:
I agree that sublists would make using RTM SOOOOO much more awesome. I use smartlists for that now, but it is certainly not ideal. But other things about RTM are so great, so hopefully if you add this it'll be simply perfect

jasonwhit says:
I'd like them too!

vmegen says:
+1! Would be an awesome feature.

silverg3 says:
please add sublists! :)

fouadsader says:
I totally agree with adding sub-lists, however it should be an option that could be turned on or off, since some people dont particularly favor them. For my requirements, so far, tagging isn't enough.
++++1 Sublist
++++1 Sublist

nuvishu says:
+1

jeff.vautin says:
+1

tankeev says:
+1
I need it sooooo much. Or maybe project-oriented tasks.
I need it sooooo much. Or maybe project-oriented tasks.


nicolassacre says:
+1

mtt says:
yes, please

frejo says:
+1

erinjeffreys says:
+ 1

kmninbox says:
I was a pro member once... but it's been over a year with some popular requests such as these, and I see no development or progress towards anything more than last years RTM.
Though RTM has a few functions I find very useful, particularly when used with a mobile device, ie syncing, smartlists, location/nearby, & smart task adding from many different sources and devices... imo it becomes very difficult to organize and keeping track of tasks and lists when you start having many tasks and lists over a longer period of time.
But RTM seems to have so much potential to be powerful and flexible for organizing all the tasks in my life.. but perhaps RTM really is just for...remembering tasks such as remember to buy the milk.
I need sublists,
and/or an easier way to make lists in general, maybe something right on the tasks page, instead of needing to go into settings each time to create, edit, or delete lists, maybe drag and drop too.
I completely agree the tabbed lists interface easily gets too cluttered. Really discourages me from using it at all in the long run...
Also maybe when you make a smartlist, it would pull the tasks out of the inbox, to keep the inbox uncluttered so that you can review and consider straggler tasks that don't belong in any grouping. As it is, when solely relying on smartlist, the inbox is exactly like the all tasks lists, and after a week of adding tasks to RTM, who really wants to go back through 200+ tasks in the inbox to make sure i've properly organized all my tasks... especially when making a list isn't even that easy to do. If you
Though RTM has a few functions I find very useful, particularly when used with a mobile device, ie syncing, smartlists, location/nearby, & smart task adding from many different sources and devices... imo it becomes very difficult to organize and keeping track of tasks and lists when you start having many tasks and lists over a longer period of time.
But RTM seems to have so much potential to be powerful and flexible for organizing all the tasks in my life.. but perhaps RTM really is just for...remembering tasks such as remember to buy the milk.
I need sublists,
and/or an easier way to make lists in general, maybe something right on the tasks page, instead of needing to go into settings each time to create, edit, or delete lists, maybe drag and drop too.
I completely agree the tabbed lists interface easily gets too cluttered. Really discourages me from using it at all in the long run...
Also maybe when you make a smartlist, it would pull the tasks out of the inbox, to keep the inbox uncluttered so that you can review and consider straggler tasks that don't belong in any grouping. As it is, when solely relying on smartlist, the inbox is exactly like the all tasks lists, and after a week of adding tasks to RTM, who really wants to go back through 200+ tasks in the inbox to make sure i've properly organized all my tasks... especially when making a list isn't even that easy to do. If you

dimitor says:
+1

gwhome says:
and again a +1 +1 from a newbie.

bcrem says:
Hey! RTM! HOW can you not have sublists??? What, is it somehow impossible with your current design? Would you need to completely refactor the entire site? Did Bob T. Monkey have a bad experience with a sublist as a child?
WAKE UP! Implement sublists!
(please.)
WAKE UP! Implement sublists!
(please.)

dgsink says:
This would be awesome - lots of lists are nice, but so often I have categories that need sublists and it would be so much cleaner to be able to do this.

fmaida says:
+1

richalbin says:
+1

jgarozzo says:
+1!

hanli says:
Yes please! This would be so very useful. If a pro feature, I wouldn't hesitate for a second.

jeffersonkg says:
I absolutely agree that this feature is required. [+1]
Hey it's help a lot of! Sublists is better than puts the tags, and the preview would be more enjoyable.
Congratulations for your great work! I'm loving it!
Hey it's help a lot of! Sublists is better than puts the tags, and the preview would be more enjoyable.
Congratulations for your great work! I'm loving it!

woowaabob says:
+1

ianthevanbelzen says:
+1;
This is a better idea then subtasks to keep the interface clean.
This is a better idea then subtasks to keep the interface clean.

martin.mares says:
+1
I agree... "this is a better idea then subtasks to keep the interface clean".
I agree... "this is a better idea then subtasks to keep the interface clean".

chrisroppola says:
+ 1 . Agree as well, sublists before sub tasks.

sylvain.boureliou says:
+1

mark.r.stoneman says:
I cluster related lists by using prefixes for lists that are part of a bigger thing. Simple, and works on whatever device I'm using.

heppa says:
+1

anotherdamndj says:
Three years of people asking for the same thing? that is crazy

eric.chapman says:
+1

alejandro84 says:
+1. totally required

drsimcha says:
IMO sublists are one of the few features missing in an othwise awesome application. Sublists would expand the ability to use RTM for a much wider variety and number of more complex tasks

black.puppydog says:
I'm trying to implement the getting thingy done method with rtm and this is the feature which I'm missing most. In gtd you make a lot of lists as you go so especially on the Droid things get really messy.

vamshikk says:
This is easily implementable with a tag. Please use tags.

lucasmocellin says:
+1

awww says:
+1 sublists required

rahathuq says:
I just don't understand how sublists haven't been implemented yet. Seems like an obvious necessity.

bicer says:
Probably the biggest missing feature in RTM. Please implement and don't make seasoned "paying" RTM users feel that they are lacking this important capability.

isaacpei says:
sub-list is definitely needed. maybe as step 1, just allow a first level of sub list?
ideally, it could support n numbers of sublist
ideally, it could support n numbers of sublist

adzio says:
yes sublists would help a lot! Please implement it!

maxjmaass says:
The lack of sublists is one of the things that keeps me from using RTM as my full-time Todo list application. I'll even get Premium for it, if I have to.

jcollado says:
This will also be very useful as an alternative to listContains search operator:
https://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/ideas/5704/
The thing is that following the advice to apply GTD with RTM:
http://blog.rememberthemilk.com/2008/05/guest-post-advanced-gtd-with-remember.html
ends up in multiple lists that are related by prefix name (ps: personal, wk: work). However, if it could be possible to have a "Personal" folder and a "Work" folder it would be pretty easy to find all personal/work tasks that match a criteria looking into the folder (assuming that searching in a folder is the same as searching in all the lists that it includes).
Note that since lists are being created/archived/deleted as small projects start/finish, it's a little bit painful to keep the search criteria up-to-date for all the smartlists while this folder idea will make things much easier (even if only one level is allowed, that is, folders can only include lists, not other folders).
https://www.rememberthemilk.com/forums/ideas/5704/
The thing is that following the advice to apply GTD with RTM:
http://blog.rememberthemilk.com/2008/05/guest-post-advanced-gtd-with-remember.html
ends up in multiple lists that are related by prefix name (ps: personal, wk: work). However, if it could be possible to have a "Personal" folder and a "Work" folder it would be pretty easy to find all personal/work tasks that match a criteria looking into the folder (assuming that searching in a folder is the same as searching in all the lists that it includes).
Note that since lists are being created/archived/deleted as small projects start/finish, it's a little bit painful to keep the search criteria up-to-date for all the smartlists while this folder idea will make things much easier (even if only one level is allowed, that is, folders can only include lists, not other folders).

kearab says:
+1 pleeeeaseeee!

mr.louis says:
+1

georgedolbier says:
Sublists or Sub tasks, need drag and drop orginization

nadine.dyck says:
+1

muliady.hartono says:
+1 Please allow manual ordering of list and sub-list.
Also ability to hide sub-lists.
Also ability to hide sub-lists.

nicolascarre says:
+1 I'm starting with RTM and I'm not sure to get THE tool because I don't have this sub list feature.
It's important for me to be able organize my lists (personal ones, work, context for meeting preparation, sub projects, ...)
It's important for me to be able organize my lists (personal ones, work, context for meeting preparation, sub projects, ...)

eyankowitz says:
Would love to see nest/sub list support.

jacobw11 says:
Love the idea of nest/ sub lists

yasser.laariba says:
+1 sublist is a must!!

jchediak says:
+ 1

brinkburn says:
Sublist would increase the flexibility of a very flexible product.

bbrott says:
I don't see that this has been created yet. I also need sublists. Thanks!

rolfwinch says:
Another vote for sublists - IMHO, a very necessary feature for serious organizers. This feature has been requested by users for over 7 years now . . . is there a reason why it hasn't yet been added? Is it difficult to implement from a technical perspective?
Some sort of answer would be useful from the good folks at RTM. I'm a Pro user, but beginning to look for alternatives to RTM that have this ability.
Come on, Bob the Monkey - you can do this! ;-)
Some sort of answer would be useful from the good folks at RTM. I'm a Pro user, but beginning to look for alternatives to RTM that have this ability.
Come on, Bob the Monkey - you can do this! ;-)

rolfwinch says:
For example, check out workflowy.com. Simple, intuitive and easy to use . . . and, with sublists !!


zeniten says:
I want sublists too!

merte says:
You could call it folders for lists to, as long as there is a way of putting multiple lists into a group


mdevitt says:
Essential. When I used RTM way back in 2009 I requested this feature. It's bizarre with the new version they neglected to include sub folders.
Anywho +1
Anywho +1

Adding my voice to this too. I have around 50 lists and a lot of them are commons groups. I could get around this by using Tasks & Subtasks but with Smart Lists, you can't group by parent task so the subtasks don't show up clearly as to what project they're in.
Sublists seems like such an easy addition!
Sublists seems like such an easy addition!

newsfreak says:
That's definitely a must have. For my GTD workflow all tasks that need more than 1 step will be put on a seperate project list. Lot's of lists will clutter the Sidebar if there's no possibility to group them in folders.




onerror says:
I see the TickTick model (when lists go to folders which are not lists themselves but allow for comfortable grouping and easy list selecting in mobile apps) better than the Todoist model (when general lists just can contain other lists). Please, consider it when developing.


Right now I use leading spaces/characers in the list names. It works really well visually, but obviously it would be better if they also behaved as sublists, and also if they were collapsable. Another workaround I've tried is using a #project tag, but this is also not ideal because then I have tasks that are not really tasks, like "Chores" and "Groceries".
I agree that this is a needed feature. It's pretty obvious what we want. Todoist has it and so does TickTick.
I agree that this is a needed feature. It's pretty obvious what we want. Todoist has it and so does TickTick.

kidtachyon says:
Another vote for sublists please!


william.diadamo says:
Agree - this is the issue most preventing me from leaving todoist.

Hahaha @mackar - Well it's kind of a testament to how awesome RTM is otherwise that we're sticking around so long with "pro" next to our names. :-)
I foolishly dismissed this feature idea for years, thinking either that it complicated things too much or that it was resolved with sub-tasks. I just gave this thread a read and it got my vote.
I'm willing to wait ten more years, Bob. (If you're there...)
I foolishly dismissed this feature idea for years, thinking either that it complicated things too much or that it was resolved with sub-tasks. I just gave this thread a read and it got my vote.
I'm willing to wait ten more years, Bob. (If you're there...)


RTM is one step away from perfection for me, and that step is sublists. Please! I can't list each and every of my 100+ projects as individual lists. They need to be sublists under my list of Projects. And they are sublists, not tasks. It is confusing and uncomfortable to have them be tasks in a list. They're titles, not tasks. Please get this feature! Thank you!
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