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New Pro feature: MilkSync

emily (Remember The Milk) says:
As announced in this blog post, MilkSync is our task synchronization platform that allows RTM to talk to other software and devices. We're really excited that this is our very first Pro feature :)

The first application available is MilkSync for Windows Mobile, but the platform will ultimately enable RTM to sync with all kinds of software and devices (so let us know what you'd like to see :)

Hope you like it! We've got some more Pro stuff cooking, and we're looking forward to sharing more with you guys in the future...
Posted at 5:02am on September 17, 2007
jdalvi says:
What is the ETA for S60 Nokia phones ?
Posted 17 years ago
emily (Remember The Milk) says:
We're not able to announce timeframes for particular software/devices (sorry!), but we'll be developing future sync support based on the feedback we receive (Windows Mobile happened to be one of the most popular requests). If you'd like to see sync become available for your favourite software/device, please let us know what you use :)
Posted 17 years ago
(closed account) says:
I would like to see syncing for SyncML standard, almost every cell phone on the market right now supports syncing using SyncML, I think a large number of user would profit from this.
Posted 17 years ago
graham.reeds says:
Slightly off-topic: When you visit a website on a phone does it leave the phone type in the header (I don't have a phone to test this with)?
Posted 17 years ago
ranbarton Power Poster says:
Here's my vote for the Palm OS.

[Bravo, Bob, Omar, and Emily, on rolling out your first Pro feature - I suspect this will be a hit. Will there be a way for new, non-Pro users to try it out before ponying up?]
Posted 17 years ago
david.mcdanal says:
This is what I have been looking for! Does it sync RTM with pocket outlook (like oggsync does with google calendar) or does it contain all tasks within the RTM app? Thanks
Posted 17 years ago
emily (Remember The Milk) says:
Ran, thanks :) We'll be looking at the possibility of providing some kind of trial for non-Pro users (it's a great idea).

In the meantime, it's possible to download and install the app without a Pro account (to make sure that it's compatible with your device). As a non-Pro user, you can do everything with the app except for actually make it sync :)
Posted 17 years ago
matid says:
I've just tested it on my Samsung i600 and it works flawlessly - thanks for a great tool, but I'd really appreciate some tweaks to RTM itself, like projects, even more.
Anyway, keep up the good work!
Posted 17 years ago
emily (Remember The Milk) says:
David, yes, it syncs with the 'Tasks' app that's in Windows Mobile (the MilkSync app purely does the syncing between the Tasks app and RTM). Hope this helps!
Posted 17 years ago
david.mcdanal says:
Perfect, thats exactly what I was looking for! There is no other good task app on the web that does this. Great reason for getting a pro account.
Posted 17 years ago
mzehrer says:
Great work, finally I can connect my Outlook to my RTM world. Next thing Outllook Plugin ,-)?
Posted 17 years ago
jeremy.joslin says:
Ugh. I've used Windows Mobile for the last half decade. Now that I've recently turned over a new leaf and am purging my life of MS products (and just bought a Blackberry) this comes along.

When do you think MilkSync will be ready for Blackberry?

BTW, WM is slow and requires rebooting daily. I've never turned back.
Posted 17 years ago
emily (Remember The Milk) says:
Jeremy, we'll be developing future sync support based on feedback that we receive (unfortunately Windows Mobile requests outweighed BlackBerry!). We've been hearing from some pretty passionate BlackBerry users though :)
Posted 17 years ago
nitin.badjatia says:
Add me to the blackberry request horde
Posted 17 years ago
photojen says:
Emily, THANK YOU for this. I opened RTM this morning, saw the new feature, and immediately upgraded to a pro account. RTM's been fantastic for me over the last year or so, and I'm so glad to contribute when features like this are developed. Great work, good job, and way to go!!

I would, however, put in a bit of a vote to get a more RTM-like interface for my tasks list on my device, though. The long check list is rather intimidating, and filtered, I feel like I can't keep track of everything at once. Would love tabs (maybe on the side?) for each list as well as inclusion of my smart-lists.
Posted 17 years ago
fmeehan says:
Add me too on the BlackBerry list...

Regards,

François
Posted 17 years ago
(closed account) says:
iPhone, iPhone, iPhone :)
Posted 17 years ago
matstace says:
Nokia S60 3rd Edition - my E65 needs RTM in it's life :-)
Posted 17 years ago
(closed account) says:
As far as I can understand photojen's informations, Milksync does not even support smart lists and tagging? what's the point then? While on my way, I need my actions list on my phone, and nothing else.
Posted 17 years ago
raymond.bergmark Power Poster says:
Using http://m.rememberthemilk.com/, its easy to access your smart lists on a mobile phone. I have a smart list for errands and have a bookmark especially for that list. Why synch?
Posted 17 years ago
(closed account) says:
rajjan: because I live in Italy, and mobile internet access is VERY expensive here.
Posted 17 years ago
raymond.bergmark Power Poster says:
OK, I have my employer pick up the tab ;-)
Posted 17 years ago
cginger says:
Blackberry please!
Posted 17 years ago
emily (Remember The Milk) says:
MilkSync syncs with the Tasks application that comes with Windows Mobile, which unfortunately doesn't allow filtering by Smart Lists or tagging :(

If there's enough demand, we could always look at developing our own tasks application for Windows Mobile (and possibly other devices) so that we could support features like this.
Posted 17 years ago
will.s.brown says:
Add my vote for blackberry
Posted 17 years ago
justin.baeder says:
I'm glad to see a Pro feature. As an AT&T 8525 user, running one of the best (heh) WinMobile smartphones, I thought this would be great. Thanks for that.

However, I must agree with photojen that there is absolutely no advantage to me to working with WinMob's craptastic task interface. I use RTM so I don't have to use Windows Tasks. If I had a PDA and had no choice but to work offline when on the go, that would be another story, but right now, the mobile web interface to RTM is the best option for me.

Similarly, I'm not interested in Outlook integration, because I hate the way Outlook manages tasks. I use RTM because I like the ways it's different.

What I'd really like is an app that actually lets me manage the tasks either offline, but in an RTM framework, or online but with fewer page reloads. What really slows me down when working on the mobile is the number of dialup-speed pageloads required to do anything. Particularly since the mobile version seems designed for phones rather than smartphones, with only 10 items per screen, it's slow to get to the view I want to see.

I'm still happy to be a Pro member, even if I don't use this feature. I might request, though, that you clarify on the download page for Milksync that the application only synchs with Windows Mobile Tasks (the application called Tasks), and doesn't let you actually run RTM on your smartphone/PDA. That was a big disappointment, and I was confused, as it's not explained on the download page.

Anyway, keep the good stuff coming. I'll probably be rocking an iPhone soon, so that's my vote for the next Pro feature.
Posted 17 years ago
bzpilman says:
People, MilkSync is but a door.

I agree with justin in that your marketing of this new feature severly limited the perceived scope. It took me some good minutes to figure out what was MilkSync all about.

It's an opensource plataform for synchronizing with any piece of software designed with it in mind. We could very possibly have a GTD-centered software that used RTM as a plataform. Now that's cool.

Posted 17 years ago
paul.sinclair says:
I'll put in a vote for a Java App for mobiles. Something like the GMail app for mobiles, but it would need to store tasks offline.
Posted 17 years ago
emily (Remember The Milk) says:
Justin & bzpilman, I apologise for the confusion. I've reworked some of the text on the MilkSync page and added a bunch of info to the FAQ -- hopefully this will help to provide more information about how the sync application works (it also describes some of the limitations, as Windows Mobile Tasks and RTM don't support the exact same set of task properties). I'll continue to update this, and am happy to answer any specific questions that anyone has about its functionality.

Again, I'm sorry that we didn't have all this information available in the first place -- we'll try to do a better job in the future of introducing and describing features like this one.
Posted 17 years ago
tclutterbuck says:
I've mentioned it in an email but it would be worth putting in the FAQ that WM priorities and RTM priorities are not an exact match.

WM allows High/Medium/Low
RTM allows 1/2/3/None

MilkSync pushes both 3 & None to WM as Low.

This is only a problem, if like me you use None on RTM as Normal.
Posted 17 years ago
emily (Remember The Milk) says:
tclutterbuck, good point -- I've updated the page to reflect this.
Posted 17 years ago
bzpilman says:
Good info update =)

I think MilkSync could also use his own deserved place within the general FAQ. That's the first place I looked when you said you had added, untill later realizing it was the FAQ specific to the MilkSync page =)
Posted 17 years ago
jondube says:
Blackberry! Blackberry! Blackberry! Blackberry! Blackberry! Blackberry! Blackberry! Blackberry! Blackberry! Blackberry!

;)
Posted 17 years ago
carlo.vitolo says:
SyncML Please!
Posted 17 years ago
mb01915 says:
Blackberry fans - use the Blackberry web browser to access RTM.
Posted 17 years ago
dcefrance says:
I just tried the Sync as I just moved from my Blackberry to a Windows Mobile 6 phone (HTC S710).

I have to admit that without Smart Lists it doesn't serve me any purpose personally.

I too would vote for an RTM Windows Mobile app rather than the sync with the very limited WM Tasks app.

Posted 17 years ago
blackbelt says:
Oh I agree, an RTM PDA app would be an NICE improvement, but we'd still like a choice to use that or the regular PDA task app. Imagine duplicating most (oh c'mon ALL) of the interface of RTM on a PDA including tags - SWEET!

Add me to the Palm list and the Outlook list.

I think going to Outlook is important as that is really the only ubiquitous integrated contact management/calendar/task manager for the desktop. If there was another I'd be interested but all of the Mozilla stuff is disjointed and doesn't sync well. So it's Outlook for me right now.
Posted 17 years ago
bzpilman says:
Outlook is even more important actually because many companies require their employees to use it.
Posted 17 years ago
scotto says:
I vote for Palm, but with no Microshaft Outlook in the way. Just synch between Palm Tasks and RTM.
Posted 17 years ago
gonzie says:
need blackberry!!!
Posted 17 years ago
rolfessenden says:
If you decided to sync to ListPro on WM, I would like that. It allows filtering, and could be set up to sync all the fields you have in the online version.

Either that or develop your own WM app...

It is a great tool as is. I use it with IE on my WM machine.

Rol
Posted 17 years ago
bruud says:
Using Sony Ericsson P1i, so a symbian/uiq3 based milksync would be nice.
Posted 17 years ago
mihai.anca says:
I vote for S60 too (or at least a Java ME app).
Posted 17 years ago
derek.schauland says:
I think an RTM application for Palm OS would be a great idea. Initially syncing would have been cool, but access to smartlists via tabs or something would be way better

Posted 17 years ago
trinsec says:
I'm so much wishing for this for the Windows Mobile 2003. I bet I'd be switched to this in an instant. It'd be much easier organizing my tasks, and to have an 'after 1 week' or so would be so much more worthwhile for me than the standard 'daily/weekly/whateverly' dates.
Posted 17 years ago
brian.hageman says:
tried it with my motorola q 9m/wm6 today and it didn't work.
Posted 17 years ago
scott.davies says:
outlook please - I'm stuck in a corporate world :-(
Posted 17 years ago
marcelomartins says:
If MilkSync work with symbian v3, I by a Pro account :)
Posted 17 years ago
gonzie says:
what's the next platform to be supported?

so need blackberry it's unreal
Posted 17 years ago
whibs says:
SyncML support would be fantastic (currently using a Nokia N73, possibly upgrading to N95 8GB soon).

I've been thinking about writing a PyS60 (Python for S60 mobiles) script that would sync with RTM and list tasks from particular smartlists depending on location (cell ID or GPS) to provide context (home, work, errands). I like the thought of having my most important tasks listed on the phone's front screen, and simply ticking them off using the phone's built-in task manager as I go.

Needless to say I haven't got around to producing a prototype yet.

To have an RTM app would be great, particularly if it optionally allowed offline capabilities similar to Google Gears. Mobile AJAX would also be very cool!
Posted 17 years ago
sdether says:
Installed MilkSync yesterday, and while I agree with the general sentiment that I'd rather have an RTM app than use the built in tasks, I wanted to give some feedback on sync:

1) Please don't have milksync come to the foreground ever time is syncs. My phone is generally locked and after a sync, i now have to unlock it and click ok, before i get my status screen back

2) Don't pop-up a modal dialog on a sync failure, especially not the first time it happens. Connectivity is rather spotty in certain parts.

Other than that, thanks for keeping my tasks in sync when not a computer. Keep up the good work
Posted 17 years ago
ludovic.chabant says:
Hey,

MilkSync is really cool, thanks to Bob T Monkey!

I don't mind using the built-in tasks, as I don't have many, and don't use many of the tasks properties, at least for those tasks I want to sync on my PDA.

The only real drawback right now is not being able to sync smart-lists. I use smart-lists very, very extensively, and I'd like to be able to choose them for sync.

Thanks.
Posted 17 years ago
tmaw says:
could you add WM 2003 SE in the list of PDA OS supported ?

I have a fujitsu pocket loox 720 which is alive and kicking as always.

I use it everyday

it has 6GB storage ability (only) for the moment.

I do nearly everything with it

it is waiting for its RTM mobile sync app !
Posted 17 years ago
emily (Remember The Milk) says:
sdether, thanks for your feedback. MilkSync should be running in the background -- is it coming to the foreground, apart from when there's an error? Thanks!
Posted 17 years ago
sdether says:
Emily,

It was coming to the foreground on every sync. But then i rebooted my phone (oh, isn't it just like any other windows) and since then it's been sitting quietly in the back.

But having the error not come up as a dialog at least as an option would be great. I constantly run in and out of coverage (including some parts of my office). Thanks
Posted 17 years ago
sdether says:
Emily,

I don't know what the deal is, but today, Milksync is once again popping to the front every time it syncs.
Posted 17 years ago
emily (Remember The Milk) says:
sdether, would it be possible to check that you're closing MilkSync by going to 'Menu' then 'Exit'? Even if the MilkSync program is exited, it will still run the sync process in the background, but it should not pop up if there are any errors.
Posted 17 years ago
sdether says:
Emily, thanks for that info. I assumed that if i exited it was completely gone, so i kept hitting OK on the Milksync window.
Posted 17 years ago
astryea says:
S60 Please!!! I wouldn't hesitate in purchasing the pro account once Symbian is supported. I also wouldn't say no to an Outlook plugin or something for the office :)
Posted 17 years ago
astryea says:
Sorry for the double post, but I also agree with SyncML support to cover all the bases.
Posted 17 years ago
razvanr says:
what about a sync to iPod? possible?
Posted 17 years ago
ranbarton Power Poster says:
Emily-

I have been pretty quiet about MilkSync, mentioning only that I would like Palm support, but Gmail's IMAP announcement has brought this back to the front of my mind.

IMAP, you say? That's for email, and this a site about todos, right?

Well, yes, but... With my email in Gmail, I have had no use for a desktop client (given POP's drawbacks, but I can imagine using GMAIL-via-IMAP a lot). If I am using Gmail via IMAP, then I will be using Apple Mail, and by the new year, I plan to be doing that via OS X 10.5 Leopard. Apple's plans for Mail in Leopard include adding notes and todos to the program. The todos tie into iCal. So all of a sudden, I am very curious to see if we can get MilkSync or its kin to run on a Mac, acting as a 2-way, syncing bridge between iCal and Mail, and RTM.

I do not know the platform breakdown of your users, but here on the forum I sense a bunch of Mac users. You would know exactly the proportion via your server logs, I imagine. I bet if you could pull this off, you'd have a bunch of new Mac users flock to your banner, as this would be very, very cool.

I hope I explained that clearly. This is something I'd really pay double extra for, and I think it would be a very valuable Pro market for you. Many more Mac users as a block than any flavor of the chopped up cell/smartphone market.

[And for razvanr, above, this sort of syncing would work to an iPod, too. You can get RTM data into an iPod via iCal and iSync today, but it's one-way, read-only.]
Posted 17 years ago
bzpilman says:
Even though I don't have a mac nor do I plan to, I found this suggestion by ranbarton very valid. It seems like an obvious fitting to MilkSync (and an awesome one too!).
Posted 17 years ago
ranbarton Power Poster says:
There is now a nice little freeware application for Leopard Macs that serves as a face to these Mail/iCal to-dos. If we had some Mac/iCal/MilkSync action, this would be a great way to meld RTM with the desktop.

http://anxietyapp.com/
Posted 17 years ago
ojcit says:
I want it to work with my refrigerator, and take me out of the loop completely.
Posted 17 years ago
jeffvand says:
I have been reading forums for days trying different ways to get my blackberry to sync. I have a syncml client ready to go. I have outlook integration... but alas... I am left in the dark again.

I don't mind using the online browser version, but there are way too many clicks to mark off a task, and the spacing is way off for the page so it is hard to see it all.

I would really like to have it in my built in todo list! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE... I'm begging... on my knees now... start a syncml server. You'll make all the blackberry users happy, and it appears a lot of other people too!!!

Sure I would like a nice little java app like google's gmail... but you are only three people... a server option is way more feasible. PLEASE! :)
Posted 17 years ago
ranbarton Power Poster says:
N.b., two people, a monkey, and a cow.
Posted 17 years ago
wavi says:
How about a thunderbird extension for those of us who use the client as Gmail IMAP solution. That would be great!
Posted 17 years ago
dmd1272 says:
Blackberry, Blackberry Blackberry, Blackberry Blackberry, Blackberry Blackberry, Blackberry Blackberry, Blackberry Blackberry, Blackberry Blackberry, Blackberry Blackberry, Blackberry Blackberry, Blackberry Blackberry, Blackberry

Pretty please, checkout my RTM post on www.blackberrygtd.com
Posted 17 years ago
linickx says:
Can we have a maemo client for Nokia Tablets Please :)
Posted 17 years ago
mrpixar says:
Blackberry, Blackberry, Blackberry, Blackberry!!!
Posted 17 years ago
thirdjohn84 says:
thunderbird, please
Posted 17 years ago
mvictory says:
Blackberry Support please!
Posted 17 years ago
michael.mavroudis says:
Blackberry support would make my whole office upgrade to pro!
Posted 17 years ago
mediaarts says:
UIQ3 user here.

I'm coming vicariously close to writing the syncing software myself. I simply love this service that much. :)
Posted 17 years ago
jkorn says:
iPhone user here. Would LOVE to have an iPhone-compatible RTM sync app. (Are you at the Macworld Expo in SF even as I type this?) :-)

Thanks!
Posted 17 years ago
csesget says:
Can't you just use the RTM web page? I think the iPhone-customized page is terrific.
Posted 17 years ago
cainmark says:
Add me to the request for Palm OS integration
Posted 17 years ago
harryalverson says:
Putting in my vote for Apple iCal - RTM todo syncing.
Posted 17 years ago
kkaland says:
I second the vote for ListPro synchronization. Before I saw MilkSync, I was actually thinking of writing a small app to grab my tasks off RTM and convert them to a ListPro list (so that I wouldn't lose them if I went on vacation and didn't have Internet access). But I will be content for now with putting in my vote for that :)
Posted 17 years ago
jalm1 says:
BlackBerry sync!!! Then Outlook!
Posted 17 years ago
panthar says:
I'd love to see SyncML support. Many phones support this natively and there are plenty of SyncML clients to sync with other apps/devices that do not have SyncML support built in.
Posted 17 years ago
jjpuxty says:
Palm please. Need it bad......
keep up the good work team.
Posted 17 years ago
jtburling says:
Syncing with leopard ical and mail would be a killer feature.
Posted 17 years ago
(closed account) says:
I'm a milksync subscriber and it works without fail but a major drawback is syncing task notes from PDA to RTM which isn't supported at present (except for the first time the task and note are synced from PDA to RTM). From RTM to PDA works fine but not vice versa. Please please implement this feature!
Thanks!
Posted 17 years ago
aaronhh says:
It seems like it would be easier to develop separate RTM apps that run on WM and PalmOS and BlackBerry, than to go through the trouble of syncing RTM to a separate application which you have limited control over, and then you are stuck with the limitations of the app that you are syncing to. Sometimes it is easier to create a new wheel then to try to make one wheel work with a different kind of wheel. Not that I am suggesting that it is a good idea to try to re-invent the wheel.
Posted 17 years ago
joshuawagner says:
Blackberry, blackberry, blackberry would be sweet!
Posted 17 years ago
aaronhh says:
I heard that Blackberry sales have sky rocketed lately. I might have to see if they have a reasonably priced model for Verizon Wireless.
Posted 17 years ago
bleys says:
I'll second the maEmo motion
Posted 17 years ago
mvdborre says:
SyncML please!

Thank you
Posted 17 years ago
ronakshah2000 says:
Old thread, but any solution to simply filter by smartlist on WM would be helpful. Even if you brought it across to the mobile device as a real "category" simply so I could bring just the important Lists (@Call, @Home, @Errands) when I'm not at a computer.

I can always use the m.rememberthemilk.com interface, but I have a feeling I'll wind up back in my Moleskine soon...
Posted 16 years ago
(closed account) says:
SyncML would be pretty cool....
Posted 16 years ago
jlperla says:
Exchange Server Emulator:
I am sure that someone has already posted this, but an easy solution to the iPhone problem (and likely others) is to have a server that can act as an exchange server.

See how nuevasync.com does it for contacts/calendar with the iPhone, it is very seamless.
Posted 16 years ago
alexis.lefevre says:
Please, develop Milksync for mobile running symbian OS S60 (I'm using Nokia N95) !
Posted 16 years ago
mijlee says:
I have a Nokia N78 which is another S60 phone in the N-Series. Would be great to have an app or sync ability for that phone too. Maybe I can do it via iCal on my Mac?
Posted 16 years ago
ziphyre says:
@ronakshah2000:
I think they are just ignoring us :) As you said, bringing smartlists as categories to windows mobile wouldn't be too much of a problem. Maybe their implementation of Smart Lists makes this job a hard one.

But like you, I use also the @Call, @Computer, etc structure, and for the time being my windows mobile is totally useless to me because I get lost among those 96 tasks, and dozens of categories.

Smart Lists as categories is a must IMHO
Posted 16 years ago
idaniel says:
SyncML support please, so that I can sync with my "dumb" Nokia 6300. I realise that increasing numbers of people are getting iPhones and smart phones, but there is still a big market out there for people who have "dumb" phones that they get "for free" with phone plans.

Because RTM doesn't have this feature, I have instead moved to using GooSync. I'd love to move back to RTM, as its web interface is light-years better than GooSync's.
Posted 16 years ago
jamexcel says:
MAEMO OS2008 syncing... PLEASE!
Posted 16 years ago
jamexcel says:
For the Nokia Internet Tablet N8x0 series... if we could get RTM to sync, and/or get RTM via Google Gears on the Internet Tablet, that would be fantastic!
Posted 16 years ago
martintmlss says:
From Palm WebOS news, I quit PalmOS, even Palm let this OS die. I just move to Nokia E71, so I vote for S60!
Posted 16 years ago
jorgene says:
One more vote for S60, and even more votes (2?) for SyncML! This is seriously on it's way to becoming a showstopper for me, using the otherwise great RTM.

The earlier posts about this from 2007 - any news?
Posted 16 years ago
mseppings says:
Another vote for s60 or syncML
Posted 16 years ago
dem0nstar says:
syncML would be really nice.
It works with the most phones and you don't have to install anything for that.
Otherwise Symbian S60v5 :)
Posted 16 years ago
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